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title: The Hard Truth About Scaling in Payments
description: In this episode of the Merchant Sales Podcast, James Shepherd sits down with Jaron Rice for a candid, unfiltered conversation about growth, control, and the realities of scaling in the payments industry. Jaron shares his personal journey from building a book, registering directly, experimenting with scale, and ultimately redefining what success actually looks like in today’s market.
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# The Hard Truth About Scaling in Payments
In this episode of the Merchant Sales Podcast, James Shepherd sits down with Jaron Rice for a candid, unfiltered conversation about growth, control, and the realities of scaling in the payments industry. Jaron shares his personal journey from building a book, registering directly, experimenting with scale, and ultimately redefining what success actually looks like in today’s market.
[ James Shepherd ](https://www.ccsalespro.com/podcast/author/james-shepherd)
Jan 23, 2026
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In this episode of the *Merchant Sales Podcast*, James Shepherd sits down with **Jaron Rice** for a candid, unfiltered conversation about growth, control, and the realities of scaling in the payments industry. Jaron shares his personal journey from building a book, registering directly, experimenting with scale, and ultimately redefining what success actually looks like in today’s market.
They break down hard-earned lessons around ownership, operational complexity, team building, and why bigger isn’t always better. The conversation challenges common assumptions about growth and offers a more sustainable framework for long-term success.
The episode also includes a *Today in Payments* segment covering major shifts in crypto cards, stablecoins, and macro payment trends shaping the future of the industry.
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